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sub galleries don't make sense

posts: 49 Canada

I am currently using some earlier version of 1.9 (anyone know how I can tell?) and I recently needed the concept of SUB Galleries. Looking at new features for 1.9 it sounds like it has them – yeaaaa!!.. so I downloaded latest 1.9 to check it out and I am not sure I get it.

what I am getting (is this finished or maybe still under dev?):

- galleries and sub-galleries all under same listing
- if I pick a gallery all the pictures from that gallery and its sub-galleries show up (thumbnails)
- if I go to enter a new gallery I can pick if it is to be a sub of a parent gallery

I guess this is fine… just not really what I would have thought:

wouldn’t this make more sense:

- when you pick a gallery that has subs it would list the subs at the top before any pics in the parent are thumbed
- subs listings wouldn’t show unless you are in parent
- when you go to a parent you can:
o add files OR
o add sub gallery

Isn’t this a far more typical hierarchical structure?

OR.. am I missing something?

posts: 5 Yugoslavia
I have exactly the same question, and as I can see it's not answered. Hope this will bounce it to the top and someone will, eventually, answer mrgreen

posts: 23 United Kingdom

I agree with this.
Also am i the only one that finds it conspicuous that this is implemented for image galleries but not file galleries?

I definately think a sub-gallery should not show up in the main listing, and only when viewing its parent.

In terms of images first, or sub-galleries first, that should probably be a configurable choice.

posts: 1630 Canada

> Also am i the only one that finds it conspicuous that this is implemented for image galleries but not file galleries?
>

Will be in 1.10

M ;-)


posts: 4656 Japan

> I am currently using some earlier version of 1.9 (anyone know how I can tell?) and I recently needed the concept of SUB Galleries. Looking at new features for 1.9 it sounds like it has them – yeaaaa!!.. so I downloaded latest 1.9 to check it out and I am not sure I get it.
>
> what I am getting (is this finished or maybe still under dev?):
>
> - galleries and sub-galleries all under same listing

This is how it's set up. The list is flat, not hierarchical. I agree that it'd be more appropriate to list subgalleries under their parent gallery as in an outline. Maybe a request should be filed for this feature enhancement. In the meantime, maybe a workaround would be to try to give subgalleries names that will come after the parent gallery's name in the list. (They are listed alphabetically.)

> - if I pick a gallery all the pictures from that gallery and its sub-galleries show up (thumbnails)

This is odd. At my site, when I look at a gallery in thumbnail view, I see only the thumbnails of that gallery, along with one thumbnail for the subgallery. I don't see any other thumbnail images of the subgallery. In list view, I see only the images of the gallery, and none from the subgallery. This is with Tiki 1.9.0.

> - if I go to enter a new gallery I can pick if it is to be a sub of a parent gallery

Right.
>
> I guess this is fine… just not really what I would have thought:
>
> wouldn’t this make more sense:
>
> - when you pick a gallery that has subs it would list the subs at the top before any pics in the parent are thumbed

This seems to be the case at my site. The thumbnail of the subgallery is shown first, then the image thumbs of the parent gallery.

> - subs listings wouldn’t show unless you are in parent

Do you mean the list view within a gallery? This is how it works for me: only the images in the parent gallery are listed.

> - when you go to a parent you can:
> o add files OR
> o add sub gallery

This would be a good feature, although you can go to the gallery list to add a subgallery to a gallery, right?

> Isn’t this a far more typical hierarchical structure?
>
> OR.. am I missing something?

Are you using 1.9.0 or 1.9.1 now? With 1.9.0, my experience is different from your description, so if your version is older than that, it looks like an upgrade would solve at least some of those problems.

-- Gary

posts: 5 Yugoslavia

> > - galleries and sub-galleries all under same listing
>
> This is how it's set up. The list is flat, not hierarchical. I agree that it'd be more appropriate to list subgalleries under their parent gallery as in an outline. Maybe a request should be filed for this feature enhancement. In the meantime, maybe a workaround would be to try to give subgalleries names that will come after the parent gallery's name in the list. (They are listed alphabetically.)

Yup, this might be a solution - to outline sub-s , or to give a choice in admin - display them in parent-level list (outlined) or not to display them there at all. Anyway, current solution is confusing, and illogical. If I make a SUBgallery, I have a good reason making it SUB, otherwise I'd put it in parent level, right? Anyway, I'm into hacking template to display them the way I like it.

Adding a different sorting method (or custom ordering) to image gals would also be quite useful.


>
> > - if I pick a gallery all the pictures from that gallery and its sub-galleries show up (thumbnails)
>
> This is odd. At my site, when I look at a gallery in thumbnail view, I see only the thumbnails of that gallery, along with one thumbnail for the subgallery. I don't see any other thumbnail images of the subgallery. In list view, I see only the images of the gallery, and none from the subgallery. This is with Tiki 1.9.0.

TW 1.9.0 here, too. It doesn't display sub-s under parent, if they're empty (though it's not a real problem anyway), otherwise it puts just one thumbnail per gallery, as it should, though it puts them in the same table along with other thumbs (not obviously separating subgals from gallery contents, apart from image desc...)
Also, subgals should have a link to parent gallery... Again, a bit of template hacking will solve this problem.

> > - when you pick a gallery that has subs it would list the subs at the top before any pics in the parent are thumbed
>
> This seems to be the case at my site. The thumbnail of the subgallery is shown first, then the image thumbs of the parent gallery.

I think it has to do with what I said (subs not obvious + not showing empty subs)

> > - subs listings wouldn’t show unless you are in parent
>
> Do you mean the list view within a gallery? This is how it works for me: only the images in the parent gallery are listed.

Hmm, I think he meant the main list of galleries.


> > - when you go to a parent you can:
> > o add files OR
> > o add sub gallery
>
> This would be a good feature, although you can go to the gallery list to add a subgallery to a gallery, right?

Yup, bit it's still a good feature...

> Are you using 1.9.0 or 1.9.1 now? With 1.9.0, my experience is different from your description, so if your version is older than that, it looks like an upgrade would solve at least some of those problems.

I think you missunderstood some of stuff he said (I found myself going through the same pattern of thought as he did)

Anyway, I'm doing some template-editing right now to achieve what I mentioned before (don't think I'll have to meddle with the php-s themselves... I hope so), so if anyone's interesting it will be posted here as attach, as soon as I finish them.


posts: 24

I'll chime in that I agree re: the SUB-galleries being hidden from main structure, otherwise the point of sub-galleries is lost and leaves clutter in main. If someone comes up with a work-around until TW is fixed, please share.

OC


posts: 41 Spain

I agree completely, let's get the sub galleries from the main listing.

I've got some more requests for the image galleries, waht's the best place to ask about them?

Was thinking of:

members can rate the images
(and have an 'automatic gallery' of highest rated pictures

members can send the images via mail to some one. You know, the old 'postcard' scripts.

Lex